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Hay guys, to what extent do you think it's okay to steal/copy stuff?
I'm really undecided about many of these issues myself, so I made myself a wee questionaire and filled it in with my opinions.
Keep in mind I'm not a lawyer, and don't really care about what the actual laws are.

Do you think it's okay to pirate software, movies, music and books?
I support piracy because I see it as free advertising and believe that most people who would have paid for it still will.
I make a point to buy stuff I really like, though I'm more likely to support poorer developers or projects that just didn't pay off.

How about pirating really old stuff (NES games, The Beatles etc)?
It really bothers me how Nintendo are still trying to sell their old games, but then again they'd lose sales on their new games if they gave away those old ones for free. So *shrugs*. I've never felt bad about not paying for old stuff though, it's more important to support those who are actually still producing content.

Do you think it's okay to create or even sell fan-works (fanart, fangames etc) without the original author's permission?
Not sure about this one! I know most companies don't care about fanart being sold, as it's not really competing with their products, but they can be a bit sensitive to stuff like games or even parody animations being distributed for free.

Do you think it's okay to trace artwork or animations if you make a reasonable amount of changes to them?
This seems to offend a lot of people on deviant art. I have no idea what an acceptable amount of changes would be, but personally tracing in artwork doesn't really bother me. I've even seen some decent commercial games that were blatant ripoffs of others, and I didn't hold that against them either. As long as all of the work involved is re-done and not directly ripped, then I guess it's fine. Parodies seem to be alright as well, but where do you draw the line between parody and theft?

Do you think it's okay to show "Let's Play"s or other videos that show a large portion of a product online without the original author's permission?
I really don't see anything wrong with this at all, because it's showing someone using the product, rather than giving it away. Regardless, some Let's Plays have been taken off YouTube.

Do you think it's okay to use media that you don't own and don't have permission to use in non-commercial or educational projects (using copyrighted music in an animation etc)?
I don't have a problem with this, and most copyright owners will at worst ask you to take your work down or edit it, but I can see why a lot of websites don't want to host that kind of content, just in case.

Do you think massive companies should be able to sue eachother over trivial similarities in their products and infringment of a few patents (like using Apple's slide-to-unlock feature)?
To me this seems retarded and very harmful to the consumer... If someone can improve an existing idea or sell it for cheaper then they should be allowed to do so. Just feels like big companies are trying to monopoloize the market and cut down any challengers by any means possible. How about, you know, just making your product better than the competition?

Do you think maybe patents should be abolished altogether in some cases?
Large companies protect themselves by patenting potential competing technologies that could be cheaper or more effective than what is currently available. I hear fuel companies hold patents for batteries and stuff like that, making development of cleaner technologies difficult. Pharmaceutical companies patent their medicine and then sell it for massive amounts, because no one else is allowed to reproduce it. Evil much?
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Dzonatan Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its great to see sane people who realize that piracy is not as big issue as it is made out to be. Piracy is yet to kill any kind of industry or adleast I never heard it killing anything.
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CorgiBurgre111 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Student General Artist
Wait, they've taken "Let's Plays" off of Youtube? That sucks. And frankly, If all those people who can't find their own thing to do would stop taking other people's stuff or the people who freak out about those kind of people would STFU, copyrights and stuff like that wouldn't be a problem, and I could start saving/spending more money on the equipment/software I need to get all my stuff recorded and out there, rather than setting aside a portion of my earnings to pay for copyrights and s*** when I do get the stuff I need.
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Kerrigore Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Do you think it's okay to pirate software, movies, music and books?

On a fundamental level, no since it's someone else's work but on a practical level, yes. It's simply not feasible, what witht he cost of living these days, for people to constantly shell out for entertainment. I personally hate how utterly expensive software is, considering they don't really change much between versions and charge rediculous amounts of money for them. Honestly, most people, if they respect the material will actually buy it in terms of music, movies and books. I am against book piracy but it's for biased reasons an a seething hate for the digitization of print. I like having a book in my hand thank you very much.

How about pirating really old stuff (NES games, The Beatles etc)?

I don't have a problem with it. Eventually most of that stuff will fall into public domain anyway.

Do you think it's okay to create or even sell fan-works (fanart, fangames etc) without the original author's permission?

No because I wouldn't like someone turning a buck off of my work. The only good thing that comes of it really is free advertsiing.

Do you think it's okay to trace artwork or animations if you make a reasonable amount of changes to them?

No.

Do you think it's okay to show "Let's Play"s or other videos that show a large portion of a product online without the original author's permission?

Yes. I'm an advocate of creativity and again, it's free advertising for the product, even if the review is bad it's still getting attention. Such things also help people discover some of these games you wouldn't have heard of otherwise.

Do you think it's okay to use media that you don't own and don't have permission to use in non-commercial or educational projects (using copyrighted music in an animation etc)?

Yes, educational use falls under the fair use of a copyright.

Do you think massive companies should be able to sue eachother over trivial similarities in their products and infringment of a few patents (like using Apple's slide-to-unlock feature)?

I'm indifferent here. I have no love for big buisiness yet they make the stuff I own.

Do you think maybe patents should be abolished altogether in some cases?

I think doing so is more trouble than it's worth.
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Shinobody Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012
So I played EBF games, thought Adventure Story was amazing, thought to check out your dA...
And see this.
"I support piracy"
Piracy is stealing, it's not "free advertising" :roll:. Small scale stealing, but stealing. If you are a soft/music/film pirate, you're thief. So am I, but deluding yourself into thinking that you're not is kinda funny.
"Tracing is cool as long as you redraw"
what
... Tracing is good for art practice, but it's not art.
Tracer didn't put his mind, his heart, his vision, majority of his work into piece.
Also, define "reasonable amount of changes".
"I don't see anything wrong with LPs"
Taking LPs down is just wrong, since it's kind of video review. Game is not kind of good you can "spoil" just by putting vids of it on YT. At worst, you'll put off some ppl from buying. At best, you'll convince them to play.
"it's okay to put copyrighted music in piece"
You'd be hypocrite if you said no, wouldn't you. ;)
Yea, my thoughts are pretty much the same on this one.
"patent laws should be abolished"
Patent laws pretty much allow private research to happen. What is the point of researching new groundbreaking technology/medicine if somebody without research division is going to steal our results tomorrow?
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MasterIckolas Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2012
Gota love deep stuff...

Back in my younger days, I used to be a pirate. Now I keep legit as much as I can. But things I JUST can't find / Buy Legit any more... Well most of the time I move on.

But it IS stupid on how easy it is to sue over stupid crap that all these companies want to have the RIGHTS too, even though half this crap is used over and over, and OVER in a hundred different things....

GREAT, I get done playing Bullet Heaven, And EPFA, Read the TV Tropes Page on em, and I end up here thinking and stuff... THANKS Kupo!~
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andrewkaze Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2012
If it wasn't able to be gotten for free...then it isn't illegal!
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SofaTofu Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2012
For the longest time I was one of those people who refused to download or even play/watch pirated things. But I've loosened up a bit because I know that if I like something well enough, I'll buy it anyway, just to support the person who made it. I never pirate books though, because for one, I dislike reading them electronically, and secondly, I can just go to a library and get one to check it out if I don't want to buy it right away.

I understand companies not wanting their old stuff being taken for absolutely free, but they don't even produce them anymore. They should just let it go in my opinion, they aren't going to get much more out of it.

As long as it's not directly competing with the original work, why not? If I ever had something I made and people liked it enough to make fanart/parodies of it, I'd be flattered, not getting ready to sue! It might be a different story if the fan-work becomes more popular than the original, but you can't control the masses and dictate what they like.

I am not sure what a "Let's Play" is, but from what you've said, it doesn't seem like a problem. If it's just showing what a product does, isn't that just like free advertising for them? I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a horrible issue unless the company just makes awful products and doesn't want the customer knowing until after they've bought it.

Non-commercial use is a little iffy, but for educational purposes, I have no problem. I don't see a problem having a little background music to my power-point presentation if it'll add to it. But for things like animations, I believe people should make their own music for the most part. Sometimes it can't be avoided though, and as long as they credit the original creators, it's not that big of a deal.

Massive companies shouldn't be able to sue unless at least half of their product is being directly imitated and can easily be confused. Slide to unlock does not define the iPod/Phone/Pad/whatever. Small details like that should be available for all the companies to use and improve on.

Definitely. Sure patenting technology so no one steals your idea makes sense (assuming it IS their own idea), but patenting stuff like medicine is awful! If it is a necessity, it shouldn't be allowed to be patented in my opinion.
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phoenix66six Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2012
to go with your "trivial similarities, Mojang (makers of Minecraft) is being sued by Zenimax (parent company of Bethesda) because they are making a game simply titled "Scrolls" but apparently its too similar to "The Elder Scrolls" and people may confuse them. Which isn't even really possible because The Elder Scrolls series is retail (and steam) and Mojang games can only be purchased through them, so yeah, i think its wrong to sue over such things. :)
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FlamerXMagofire Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2012
Odd I didn't see this one before... :O_o: Well, here I go

1- Actually, I use pirate stuff myself mostly becouse it's really difficult to find something, and when I find it, I don't have the money (Like it's already rather difficult to find a DS on a store :|) but, when I have the chance, I buy the real stuff (Like how I downloaded some Nightwish songs and, after a few years, I bought the original CDs) so, I'm not against, as long as there's the intention to get the original as well

2- If it isn't produced anymore, it should be OK, since they can't be found anymore (And more if the person had the original but it was damaged for any reason)

3- Yeah, I think it's OK, at least if it promotes the original game/movie/creator (Like the common "This game is a fangame and it's not related to X company in any way" line)
In fact, some autors might even use some of the fan ideas for their original stuff later on, like ZUN, from the Touhou series, uses the nicknames that were given to some of his unnamed characters by fans (I think Tokiko and Rin "Orin" Kaenbyou are 2 examples)

4- I dunno about this one... If it's mostly for a basic reference, then it should be alright, but... I guess that depends on the creator of the original source in question...

5- LPs are good as they promote the games and, usually, give useful info about how to beat the game, which makes people want to play it even more knowing HOW to beat it w/o getting stuck (I wanted to play Pokemon Fire Red again after watchig Chuggaaconroy's Let's Play :XD:) But, Let's Plays still have a lot of spoilers (They are videos of the games, after all, right?) and for some games that are all about the storyline and plot (Like the Ace Attorney games and "Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective" which are focused in a REALLY well planned storyline and basic plot) this could be enough to make some people decide not to buy it, since they can see the most important part of the game without having to pay for it...

6- Yeah, why not? :shrug: Unless it's something with heavy copyright laws on it (Like "The Phantom of the Opera" or something) it should be alright :shrug: Although, in some cases, it'd be cooler to have some original stuff made by yourself or a co-worker instead ;)

7- If it's just the basic idea implemented to their own product, making something different, it'd sholdn't make any problems, since the original company just could "steal" it back, improve it and call it even. If it's the whole thing as it is with just a few buttons/functions added to make it "easier to use" then they are asking for it :hmm:

8- I haven't thought about this like that, but yeah, it always was weird for me how they would just patent it as to stop anyone from doing it instead of doing it themselves... :hmm:
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megaman1025 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012
Indubitably I agree with most of your thoughts/opinions, maybe a bit off on piracy because I like to follow the lines of the US Gov a bit too much. As for reasonable changes believe it or not even the Government hasn't defined how much you have to change things to make the original (case and point OCRemix). Fan-art/games should definately be in the clear though because they do make enough changes (plot, animation, character development, etc.) to be original, and don't get me started on how clear LP's should be.

--Megaman1025
P.S. Love your games
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