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A lot of people ask me if I'm porting any of my games to phones. I never will, and here's why.
Let's put aside the considerable effort it would take to translate the code and assets from Flash format, and look at some of the design problems.

The main games in the Epic Battle Fantasy series have too much information on screen to fit onto a tiny phone screen with touch controls. There's menus with 20+ icons, info bubbles for status effects, foe info bubbles, HP/MP bars etc... It would be very difficult to make all of these buttons and information large enough for use with your fat fingers.  The interface would have to be simplified to the point where there's no more than maybe 10 buttons on screen at any time, which would mean throwing out like three quarters of the game mechanics and content.

Bullet Heaven would never work without either physical buttons, a mouse, or stylus controls. Most phones don't have any of those, and even if they did, the small screen wouldn't allow very much stuff on screen.
Adventure Story would also need physical buttons, unless you're a masochist and enjoy using on-screen buttons. If I used those then I'd have to make the game extremely easy to compensate for the frustration.
Bullet Heaven and Adventure Story might be possible on the 3DS, but developing for that would bring up other issues.

Anyway, phones are shit for any game which requires controls more complicated than that of Angry Birds.

So... leave me alone.
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:iconnaruto531:
naruto531 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
I played EBF 3 on my old HTC Evo 3g using a Flash game player, so if they were that desperate to play it, they could download the game and use it on one of those
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JunoOfJetForce Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2012
If phones are a no go, why not try the PSP? It's got buttons for the games and a bigger screen than normal phones.
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buhagiarcain Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2012
Yeah, I understand & agree with you on that. And I think it would be awesome if your games would ever be on the 3DS, just saying. :D

Anyways, you rock Matt! And I can't wait for EBF4 to come out so I can buy it & enjoy it! If you are putting it up on Steam. :)
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Solorum Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012
I mean what was the argument for the games on the phone?
to have a shittier version that you can barely see?
oh yeah I bet the makers spend all their time for it to be played like that
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sponsie1000 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012
wow you might wanna check out this [link] , EBF 1, 2 and 3 are already on Android. might wanna see some money for that
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:iconkupogames:
KupoGames Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012
*shrugs*
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Broseph20 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Bleh Phones. Bloody Useless! (Minus making calls and shit.)
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:iconreaplingofdie:
ReaplingofDIE Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012
I agree, but this is an opportunity for something else. If you're going to release EBF4 through Steam, maybe you could release EBF1-3, Bullet Heaven and Adventure Story in a bundle for, say, $10-15.
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XarxesBreak Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
how about the minigames?
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:iconshadetempest:
shadetempest Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2012   General Artist
You stood your ground and that's all that matters.
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kdb983 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Not trying to be an ignorant pest of a fan, but how close exactly are you to releasing EBF4? Just curious.
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:iconchekm8:
chekm8 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Hear Hear! No compromise for phones!
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:iconethantconnelly:
ethantconnelly Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
i completely agree phone games do suck ... and they dont go much beyond angry birds...
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fantasylover103 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Wow. ALOT of people gave strong opinions judging on how many comments this journal entry got.
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:iconkupogames:
KupoGames Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Seems that way.
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:iconfantasylover103:
fantasylover103 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I know, right?
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KamikazeW Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Don't worry about it. I'm happy playing your games on the computer.
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MrX89 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
I strongly disagree with your statement.
I used to have the same opinion on the topic until I actually got myself a smartphone and started developing for that platform - and now I can clearly see that it is probably the most innovative gaming platform around. It has the possibilities of most portable consoles around, it's quite cheap compared to, say, PS Vita, and nearly everyone have one. Of course, as it is with most of the new hardware no one is using it's full potential - it's rare to see a game using more input methods than just a touch screen (and android phones have a lot of sensors), and this platform needs a whole new approach to the game design, but I think that when used properly it will take gaming experience to the whole new level.
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:iconkupogames:
KupoGames Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
I'm sure the inputs are fine for a lot of games designed specifically for phones and tablets, but my games just aren't.
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:iconmrx89:
MrX89 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
Well, from what you wrote in the journal I concluded, that you think that smartphones as a gaming platform don't have much to offer - which I disagree with. I don't necesarilly say that your games would work on a phone, I just say the phones are promising and interesting platform for gaming, and that, in my opinion, can apply also to triple-A titles.
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:iconnonamegivenatall:
nonamegivenatall Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
To hell with phones for gaming. Why do people insist on making things do what they were not designed for?

I don't even HAVE my own phone.
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:iconmrx89:
MrX89 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
It's really stupid to play games on computer's as well (after all, this is not what they were designed for)
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:iconnonamegivenatall:
nonamegivenatall Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
There are gaming computers.

Checkmate.
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:iconmrx89:
MrX89 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
There are gaming smarthpones.

Checkamte... rer...?
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:iconnonamegivenatall:
nonamegivenatall Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
a gaming phone is still a phone, and therefore not being used for the intended purpose.

(For computers, the intended purpose is what they were built for.)
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:iconmrx89:
MrX89 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012
So, this thing only apllies for computers, and the rest of things' intended purpose is what you say it is, or what, cause I don't really follow?
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:iconchim1aap:
chim1aap Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012
Smartphones ARE computers right?
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:iconartistwithsoda:
ArtistWithSoda Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2012
Well, most machines are computers. Even those vending machines.
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starwind03 Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
oro? thats fine, but i play your ebf3 on my s3 just fine~ so yea dude, thanks for the great games as always!
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ZeonKomo Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
man its funny your so right the fact that if u put any of your games on a phone it would drive me insane since you would take stuff out. It's almost as horrid as punching a kitten, just complete decimation of one of my favorite games. Also cheer-en for you for ebf4 o_O XD
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ICantGiveCredit Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Woah, woah, phone games are a bit too hard to get on the marketplace in the first place. Just give us the computer games that we all know and love! :D (besides, any phone that can hold all the controls would probably disintegrate from all the awesomeness it's trying to spew off the screen. It just can't be done :P)
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GravityDemon Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
Phone games are usually lame if they're too complex anyways. Just the massive amount of effort to interact with a user interface is hell. Plus you have to mess with code translations and that just doesn't sound worth it. The only phone RPGs I've seen that were successful had really simple buttons, and were a tile-set games.
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TraceofHatred Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You forgot that most phones can't even support games good. My phone lags up and runs like crap if I try to play anything on it and I know lots that do.
Totally fair enough. XD The only portable I could see this possibly working for would be something like the PS Vita or maybe the 3DS (but like you said, that his it's own problems).

Playstation network might be a good idea though, cause a lot of flash-ish games are getting popular on PSN and being sold for money too.
Although, it's totally up to you cause it's YOUR game, haha.
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Silver-ShadowOni Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Student General Artist
Mostly see phones being used with simple, straight-forward games. "Fat fingers" that makes me crack up.
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GFSA3 Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
"Angry Birds" wasn't even that great of a game.
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Hectichermit Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
what about tablets? though compared to most laptops the hardware is shitty but you have a much larger screen then a phone
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arekusandaa-neko Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
I agree and disagree
porting games to phones is a horrible idea, and doing so loses so much of the original game

but also
if you develop a game with a phone in mind as the market, then a game can be easily made and is easily a good game.
I've seen several full blown RPG's made for phones that are pretty good

but I totally agree
your games are made to be best enjoyed at home
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:iconventel:
Ventel Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Like Zenonia.
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MysteryTheHedgehog Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Student General Artist
"Bullet Heaven and Adventure Story might be possible on the 3DS"

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
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:iconchaotictheorist:
chaotictheorist Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
Mine too.
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TheNineRings Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed.
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RealDarkness Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Agreed, I hate phones with no buttons, plus all of the games you have made would be a huge problem to deal with even if you wanted to(the IPad may be able to do it, but that's going off topic), and I'd pay top dollar if you released your games for the 3DS, I'd love to play EBF4, Adventure Story, or Bullet Heavan on it. I wonder if you'd be able to do that.. maybe not soon, but who knows. As I always say good luck Matt, looking forward to future EBF4 and creations
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SkyeDrakeDemonae Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
EBF 1 2 and 3 are available to be played on android phones through the use of a 3rd party app. I have them on my HTC EVO and they run fine, I don't have any problem hitting any of the buttons or targeting any of the enemies. It's actually pretty fun when you're out and about. I used to play EBF 3 on my way to class while riding the metro.
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theMeanApple Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
I thought I was the only one who hated phones.
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apertureninja Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey I'm just wondering, did you use Flash CS5 to make your EBF series? If so, did you happen to use any tutorials?
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KupoGames Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
I have used many Flashes, and I have not used any beginner type tutorials in a long time.
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NoirSuede Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Phones Suck? But well, Tablets do not. so why don't try on a tablet?
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:iconkupogames:
KupoGames Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
They still don't have buttons.
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:iconzxsora:
ZXSora Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012
bullet heaven resized, let us figure out the HUD ourselves with only 80 pixels for each buttons
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