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There's a lot of deviations on the front page that I check out just so I can read the comments.
A lot of users seem to think they can define what is art and what isn't, and this never fails to infuriate me.

Have these people ever been to any art galleries? A lot of popular modern art looks like it's been drawn by 5 year olds in 5 minutes, while classical art all looks exactly the same. Maybe they should go visit some museums and start shouting "not art, herp derp" until they get thrown out.

If stuff you don't like makes the front page, it means there's an audience for that sort of stuff, in which case you should be blaming DeviantArt's user base rather than insulting the artists. Funnily enough, unoriginal Pokemon and Pony crap doesn't get as much hate as a lot of nude stuff. I wonder why. (*coughpersonalinsecuritiescough*)

Wikipedia's definition of art is: "Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging items (often with symbolic significance) in a way that influences and affects one or more of the senses, emotions, and intellect. "

By that definition crap art is possibly the best art of all, because it makes people really mad!

But this meaning is too vague for my liking, and it's horribly subjective, since everyone can feel differently about a given work of art.
Keeping in mind that a lot of people believe in a God of some kind, pretty much /everything/ could be considered art since it was deliberately created by Her.

On the other hand, DeviantArt's definition of art is: "Everything that's on this site and doesn't break the rules."
I like this one since it's simple.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I don't think anyone on here has any right to complain about what is art and what isn't.
Anyone who does is just looking for an excuse to be an asshole.


tl;dr: Stop being jelly that you're not on front page.
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Unknown0rigin Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I believe this topic can be dated back to stone age people sitting in front of there cave art and with what ever form of communication says "you call that art!?"

Point being if you don't think is art but someone else, does that make you or them wrong?
No!

Art like many things is subjective and surely enough there is some one out there that shares that opinion.
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SirTapTap Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
This post isn't art! RAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

I hate crap that tries to define "artistic merit", it's especially maddening that some censorship laws in the US are based on such a useless, subjective thing, but that's another issue.
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DelinquentDeego Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2012
Wait... people actually complain about this? If I see something I don't like, I just don't bother with it. Then again, I have better things to do with my time like school, or sleep.
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Roxaslvl8001 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2012
ah..........okay......well all i can say that and even history proves....is that art can even be a toilet seat....so yeah Kupo-sama i feel your rage to these kinds of comments...so far on these three months i'm here i got some favs and stuff but i don't really know if my art is good....i mean some people think but i still think a have a long road to go and you have all the right to feel angry about those comments....also you have made awesome games for kong but that's not the point.......i have a crappy art and i say...everything is art no matter how you chart it! if you doubt take a look yourself but my statement is set!
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Solorum Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012
Art is art, simple as that
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UmDeus Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
Art is everything which was modified by the human.
However there is good art and rubbish art.
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FarkleFruggle123 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Student Writer
Simply enough, art... is everything.
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Bardic-Otaku Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"Keeping in mind that a lot of people believe in a God of some kind, pretty much /everything/ could be considered art since it was deliberately created by Her." ... I think I love you a million times more now.
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vaelvictus Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012
"By that definition crap art is possibly the best art of all, because it makes people really mad!" I lol'd.

I like DA's stance on it too. "Everything that's on this site and doesn't break the rules." I can only judge what I feel is art, to me, to myself. Some girls take nude pics with their camera and call it art, while others understand the usage of light/angles whatever, and produce 5-star nude content. But I would never pretend I was an authority on the matter.
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Masked-Imposter Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2012
Anything a rich man throws money at and calls art is art.
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Neko303 Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really hate this topic. This applies to music too. "Blah blah blah isn't music because blah blah blah sucks!*guffaws*" I really hate certain genres of music but I will still consider it music. There are pieces I really dislike but I will respect the author's choices. In my opinion, it's like saying apples are not food because I hate fruit.

I see art as something too ineffable to define and simply try not to think too much about it.
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SmoG878 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Student Filmographer
i like to think of art as any creation that people can draw meaning from. even if it wasn't intended to portray certain meanings makes it even better because it shows an effect on it's audience. HOWEVER! the term "art" is a very loose and easily manipulated word.

take for instance "dadaism". basically art for the sake of art and wierd for the sake of wierd. SURE! the author could put alot of INTENSE MEANING AND SYMBOLISM into it, but if it only took them 30 seconds to come up with it then that's what i like to call a "cheap shot at art". anyone can call anything art but i think it really comes down to what the author intended. if it was a half-ass attempt at grabbing atention then sure it's art but it is a very cheap way of doing so.

tl:dr art has many different levels and not all art is equal. judge it for yourself and compare it to the author's work and intention.
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Jetfire29 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
But... I can't NOT be jelly I'm on the front page!
...I should just draw more fanart.

(I define art as: It's art if someone says it is, which is basically what Wikipedia's saying)
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omgwtfbbqplz Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
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frasian Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
what is art you ask, it's everything. everything that is created can be considered art......well that's my opinion
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tehwerr Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
I recently when to Korea and they have a totally different Idea of whether you can define art or not.
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CelestOrion Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
True words, right here.
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Amsun Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
If I remember correctly, you got DD for a demo or a work in progress or something?
Yet I don't remember ever seeing you on the front page...

Conclusion? Your finished work is too cool for the front page. ;p
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KupoGames Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
I think I made it into the "last 8 hours" a few times.
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Amsun Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
That... may explain a lot. Seeing as I visit dA, like, once or twice a day, but am never spot on after your deviation upload... Oh well, good for you then :3
Wait, but this means my conclusion is worth $#!t...
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ShukoTsuzuki Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I hate people who think my art sucks
"Art is not perfection, It is the mistakes that make art"
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FlashOfSonic Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
Scott McCloud's definition of art is "anything someone does that isn't based in one of two basic instincts: survival and reproduction"
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theRANDOM-ARTIST Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Did ya` just say "Pony crap"? Dude, a warning, I done that once and....it was horrible afterwards... :(
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MysteryTheHedgehog Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Student General Artist
One of my other friends on dA went into a big rant the other week about how most "Artistic Nudes" aren't really art (I have to agree with him, most of them don't look like art to me, especially when they're not actually nudes). But like you said, art's really just subjective, and means different things to different people. Still, who am I to judge other people's art when I myself can't draw for shit...
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SereneFlight Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Blah, ppl should just enjoy doing their stuff instead of crying that their stuff haven't got into Daily Deviations, no matter how good they are.

Nude stuff... :/ it's sad how much there's them even most of them aren't good in artistic way. (yay for dA wankers! ... O_o')

Modern art... sad. Painting a tiny dot into HUUUGE canvas and tell: ´´It resembles *insert pointless 2h speech with full of crap*´´ and... EVERYBODY FUCKING LOVES IT!!

Ponies... what is with ppl nowadays!?
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Heratikus Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
What is art?

WHAT IS LOVE?
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PtolemaiosLS Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this-----------> [link]

loved tl;dr version.
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Madame-Meepers Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Me no jelly. Call me douche if you want but I just don't bother when I see "what-the-hell-is-this-art". By that I meant, plenty of anime/manga art, little pink ponies, horrible PHailD cosplays, etc. But I do wonder how did that particular trend got picked up, most especially My Little Ponies... I just live life and promptly switch pages when something was in the process of burning my eyes (eg: yaoi, yuri... *shudder* >_<)...
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SBD1138 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
I only have one problem with this: Saying that modern art looks like a year old did it is an insult to all the 5 year olds I know
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Chame Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OOh this is relevant to my interests...

So I had this big drunk discussion on college once. imo everything, EVERYTHING is art. No matter what it is, an argument can be made claiming artistry. Then the point is that there's only good art and bad art, and its up to the person experiencing said art to decide how good or how bad it is. Now in an ideal world everyone has their own opinion and sharing one's opinions are supposed to lead to wonderful discussions and riveting dialogues about the merits and shortcomings of any piece of art. Unfortunately in the world we live in, and the internet we hang out in, that rarely happens, instead we prefer getting into arguments with people who don't share out points of view under a blissful veil or anonymity.

And yeah, I am super jelly that my crap doesn't get to the front page.
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Zentiorus Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Student General Artist
Unfortunately people in this world are idiots and think they have a higher intelligence... This would happen in most cases of a wide range of subjects.
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TheAmazingNoodle Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
You know I usually don't stop to read most of your journal entries, but this one interested me.
Yea, I'm one of the few who makes MLP vectors and gets tons of pageviews for it, so I'm always wary of someone calling me out for it. Even I don't consider myself to be talented because of it. Hopefully I can get better to being able to make my own stuff that people would like even if it didn't involve a fandom to it.
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alfa995 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
Calling Pokemon and MLP stuff on frontpage "unoriginal crap" basically implies that you think that it is not art and/or doesn't deserve to be on frontpage. Which is extremely ironic considering you just said everything in FP is there because there's an audience for it.

And even though it's pointless that people complain about what they think is or is not art, they're gonna keep doing it, and we have to deal with it. But honestly, thousands people starve to death each day, and what bothers us is other people's opinion on what shouldn't be on the frontpage of a website? That makes me feel both extremely grateful and sad.
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ElNaso Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012   Photographer
I disagree with wikipedia's definition.

Art is a cultural form of expression of human beings; a dereivated consequence of life experiences. I consider a dick in a wall art, screenshots are art, amvs, art. There's no such thing as good or bad art, only art that is more appealing or less to some people or some other and that's defined by cultural limits and parameters.

It's a broad definition, i'm aware, but so is art.

What confuses people is the usage of the word art as an adjective that denotes something supreme, amazing, masterfull, divine, etc wich puts art as a noun in a pedestal not of it's own.
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NanoAngel Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
YES. Hell i just started puttin literary works up and i ain't expecting any form of Front page attention.
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Cloudwatcher240 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Student Writer
Umm I don't really know what to say in response to this, but believe me, I agree
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Demon-Mask Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I tend to agree with that position.
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Matsu-sensei Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
orz
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CasualtyOfWar Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
“He who works with his hands is a laborer.
He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman.
He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.”
― St. Francis of Assisi
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Aniju-Aura Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
Art exist in everything and can be anything. Art is opinionated for humans since we all have our own taste and likings. That’s how I always saw it. I guess you would have to ask the cave men since they were to first to create art on wall, they drew what they saw and what came to them in their imagination.
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andrey0z Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
art is the way someone express... even if it isn't aesthetically pleasent.
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Grec Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
Thank you
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Geioxion Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That being considered, this journal might be consideed art as well.
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zralf Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
WhatFuckingEverNoOneGivesaShit.jpeg
deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
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talentualEmbrace Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
I once saw a picture of a gallery filled with nothing but mens' hairy assholes. I don't know if that's art, man....
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RinghogZ Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I's art...
... unfortunately...

Just turn around and walk the other direction, towards the art where male's butts are clothed.
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smarto2004 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
You speak the truth. I'm glad that somebody is at least making some sense.
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poisoned-poet Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
This journal is full of yes.
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ThunderSquirrel Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
Pony crap? You might want to rephrase that, if you value your life.
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KupoGames Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012
Pony rainbow-colored crap.
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